[PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 121, Issue 1-Magic Items value
Thomas O. Magann Jr.
tmagann at earthlink.net
Wed Oct 14 21:27:29 CEST 2015
Book1, page 37, bottom section has rough rices for magic items. It doesn't account for differences in Mel or El.
It DOES say that value of Paraphenalia (the book's spelling) can vary by as much as a factor of 100. I suppose you could add a multiplier of x 5 for each level of mel or el.
I don't expect there is supposed to be exact pricing. Magic is meant be reasonably low powered, with Mels of 10+ being rare. Nor are magic enchantments regulated and cranked out in large quantity.Final price is likely to be a negotiation within the given guidelines. And it's a seller's market, not a buyer's
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>From: Bessie Hadley <eleabess at sbcglobal.net>
>Sent: Oct 14, 2015 11:28 AM
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>Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 121, Issue 1-Magic Items value
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>To Mailing List Members,
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>As I (thought I had) clearly stated in my original email, I need to find where the value of Magical Items (such as wands and talismans) can be determined. I stated I already knew how to figure the value of Natural Magic Items, so I don't need that information (found it on P&P wesite)
>
>I need the information on man/creature-created Magical Items. I found it somewhere in my P&P books, but cannot find it now. Where in the four books, or Book of Tables is it found? Can you please, please help me? I keep looking & not finding it.
>
>Sorry about the confusion - I thought I was clear.
>
>Still hoping for an answer,
>
>Bess L. Hadley
>
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> 1. Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic
> Items (Wout Broere)
> 2. Re: Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic
> Items
> ( Thomas O. Magann Jr.)
> 3. Re: Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic
> Items
> (pming at northwestel.net)
> 4. Re: Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic
> Items (TNT)
> 5. Re: Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic
> Items (Scott Adams)
> 6. Re: Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic
> Items (Alex Koponen)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 18:28:28 +0200
> From: Wout Broere <broere at powersandperils.org>
> To: The Powers and Perils Mailing List <pnp at list.powersandperils.org>
> Subject: [PnP] Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic Items
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> I cannot find where I saw in my
> books
> how to determine the value of magical items. I have
> the
> article on values of Natural Magic items, but I know
> that
> MEL & EL must have a role in value of other
> items.
> I just got a Healing talisman and a
> wand in my
> game, and this particular group has no magicians
> (they are
> scholars), so need to know what to record for my
> novelization of this adventure, when they find an elf
> or
> magician to help them determine alignment and value
> (I know,
> as creator, but they don't)
> Thanks for any help. I have books 1-4
> and the
> Book of Tables. My books have a 1983 copyright w/ a
> 1/84 on
> the bottom left back page corner, and the Tables are
> copyrighted 1984 w/ an 11/ 84 in lower left corner of
> back
> cover. (Are these the older books or the
> newer?)
> Thanks again for your help, (hope I
> didn't
> mispell too musch - my typing not as great as my
> spelling)
> Bess L. Hadley
>
>
> [Forwarded on behalf of Bess L. Hadley, Wout]
>
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 09:50:46 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> From: " Thomas O. Magann Jr." <tmagann at earthlink.net>
> To: Bessie Hadley <eleabess at sbcglobal.net>,
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> Subject: Re: [PnP] Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic
> Items
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> Healing Talismans and Wands are not Natural magic items.
> Permanent Magics and in Book 2, and section 2.263 of book 4
> describe created items such as these, and how to determine
> mel and el of made or found items.
>
> For actual Natural Items, many 't need a mel or el, others
> come with it predetermined in the description.
>
> On the other hand, if you're just looking to have stats for
> resisting Dispel, the mel of the caster, and el of his or
> her enhancement spell (the one that enhanced the material in
> the first place) would apply.
>
> But, really, for *Natural* magic items, Resisting Dispel is
> the only reason el or el would have to be determined beyond
> what is listed int he items description
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Wout Broere <broere at powersandperils.org>
> >Sent: Oct 13, 2015 9:28 AM
> >To: The Powers and Perils Mailing List <pnp at list.powersandperils.org>
> >Subject: [PnP] Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic
> Items
> >
> > I cannot find where I saw in
> my books
> > how to determine the value of magical items. I
> have the
> > article on values of Natural Magic items, but I
> know that
> > MEL & EL must have a role in value of other
> items.
> > I just got a Healing talisman and a
> wand in my
> > game, and this particular group has no magicians
> (they are
> > scholars), so need to know what to record for my
> > novelization of this adventure, when they find an
> elf or
> > magician to help them determine alignment and
> value (I know,
> > as creator, but they don't)
> > Thanks for any help. I have books
> 1-4 and the
> > Book of Tables. My books have a 1983 copyright w/
> a 1/84 on
> > the bottom left back page corner, and the Tables
> are
> > copyrighted 1984 w/ an 11/ 84 in lower left
> corner of back
> > cover. (Are these the older books or the
> newer?)
> > Thanks again for your help, (hope I
> didn't
> > mispell too musch - my typing not as great as my
> spelling)
> > Bess L. Hadley
> >
> >
> >[Forwarded on behalf of Bess L. Hadley, Wout]
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: 13 Oct 2015 10:43:34 -0700
> From: pming at northwestel.net
> To: pnp at list.powersandperils.org
> Subject: Re: [PnP] Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic
> Items
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>
> Hiya!
>
> I don't remember seeing it... and I've been playing P&P
> since it
> came out in '83. Of course, that game sill surprises me with
>
> stuff I didn't know or *thought* I knew, so...who knows? ;)
>
> The closest I can think of is under Equipment.
> There's a a
> secion for buying magic items (potions, swords, etc). Maybe
>
> that's what you are thinking about?
>
> I'm just getting started to launch another P&P
> campaign, so
> maybe I'll find it. If I do, I'll be sure to post book and
> page
> number for you. :)
>
> ^_^
>
> Paul L. Ming
>
>
>
> ***** ORIGINAL MESSAGE FOLLOWS *****
>
>
> Healing Talismans and Wands are not Natural magic items.
> Permanent Magics and in Book 2, and section 2.263 of book 4
>
> describe created items such as these, and how to determine
> mel
> and el of made or found items.
>
> For actual Natural Items, many 't need a mel or el, others
> come
> with it predetermined in the description.
>
> On the other hand, if you're just looking to have stats for
>
> resisting Dispel, the mel of the caster, and el of his or
> her
> enhancement spell (the one that enhanced the material in the
>
> first place) would apply.
>
> But, really, for *Natural* magic items, Resisting Dispel is
> the
> only reason el or el would have to be determined beyond what
> is
> listed int he items description
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Wout Broere <broere at powersandperils.org>
> >Sent: Oct 13, 2015 9:28 AM
> >To: The Powers and Perils Mailing List
> <pnp at list.powersandperils.org>
> >Subject: [PnP] Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic
> Items
> >
> > I cannot find where I saw in
> my books
> > how to determine the value of magical items. I
> have the
> > article on values of Natural Magic items, but I
> know that
> > MEL & EL must have a role in value of other
> items.
> > I just got a Healing talisman and a
> wand in my
> > game, and this particular group has no magicians
> (they are
> > scholars), so need to know what to record for my
> > novelization of this adventure, when they find an
> elf or
> > magician to help them determine alignment and
> value (I know,
> > as creator, but they don't)
> > Thanks for any help. I have books
> 1-4 and the
> > Book of Tables. My books have a 1983 copyright w/
> a 1/84 on
> > the bottom left back page corner, and the Tables
> are
> > copyrighted 1984 w/ an 11/ 84 in lower left
> corner of back
> > cover. (Are these the older books or the
> newer?)
> > Thanks again for your help, (hope I
> didn't
> > mispell too musch - my typing not as great as my
> spelling)
> > Bess L. Hadley
> >
> >
> >[Forwarded on behalf of Bess L. Hadley, Wout]
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:55:09 +0200
> From: "TNT" <tanghet at skynet.be>
> To: "'Bessie Hadley'" <eleabess at sbcglobal.net>,
> "'The Powers and
> Perils Mailing List'" <pnp at list.powersandperils.org>
> Subject: Re: [PnP] Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic
> Items
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> Would you like to have my own formula from my own version of
> PP ?
>
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> De?: pnp [mailto:pnp-bounces at list.powersandperils.org]
> De la part de Wout
> Broere
> Envoy??: mardi 13 octobre 2015 18:28
> ??: The Powers and Perils Mailing List
> Objet?: [PnP] Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic Items
>
> I cannot find where I saw in my
> books
> how to determine the value of magical items. I have
> the
> article on values of Natural Magic items, but I know
> that
> MEL & EL must have a role in value of other
> items.
> I just got a Healing talisman and a
> wand in my
> game, and this particular group has no magicians
> (they are
> scholars), so need to know what to record for my
> novelization of this adventure, when they find an elf
> or
> magician to help them determine alignment and value
> (I know,
> as creator, but they don't)
> Thanks for any help. I have books 1-4
> and the
> Book of Tables. My books have a 1983 copyright w/ a
> 1/84 on
> the bottom left back page corner, and the Tables are
> copyrighted 1984 w/ an 11/ 84 in lower left corner of
> back
> cover. (Are these the older books or the
> newer?)
> Thanks again for your help, (hope I
> didn't
> mispell too musch - my typing not as great as my
> spelling)
> Bess L. Hadley
>
>
> [Forwarded on behalf of Bess L. Hadley, Wout]
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 13:58:06 -0400
> From: Scott Adams <longshotgm at comcast.net>
> To: Bessie Hadley <eleabess at sbcglobal.net>,
> The Powers and Perils
> Mailing List <pnp at list.powersandperils.org>
> Subject: Re: [PnP] Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic
> Items
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> One of the Errata Docments.
> http://www.powersandperils.org/errata.htm#Magic
>
> That what your looking for?
>
>
> At 12:28 PM 10/13/2015, you wrote:
> > I cannot find where I saw in
> my books
> > how to determine the value of magical items. I
> have the
> > article on values of Natural Magic items, but I
> know that
> > MEL & EL must have a role in value of other
> items.
> > I just got a Healing talisman and a
> wand in my
> > game, and this particular group has no magicians
> (they are
> > scholars), so need to know what to record for my
> > novelization of this adventure, when they find an
> elf or
> > magician to help them determine alignment and
> value (I know,
> > as creator, but they don't)
> > Thanks for any help. I have books
> 1-4 and the
> > Book of Tables. My books have a 1983 copyright w/
> a 1/84 on
> > the bottom left back page corner, and the Tables
> are
> > copyrighted 1984 w/ an 11/ 84 in lower left
> corner of back
> > cover. (Are these the older books or the
> newer?)
> > Thanks again for your help, (hope I
> didn't
> > mispell too musch - my typing not as great as my
> spelling)
> > Bess L. Hadley
> >
> >
> >[Forwarded on behalf of Bess L. Hadley, Wout]
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 12:11:37 -0800
> From: Alex Koponen <akoponen at mosquitonet.com>
> To: pnp at list.powersandperils.org
> Subject: Re: [PnP] Question on MEL/EL of Natural Magic
> Items
> Message-ID: <561D6579.1070801 at mosquitonet.com>
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>
> P.46 of the Book of Tables shows how to find the value of
> magic items,
> including Natural Magic Items.
>
> Alex K
>
> On 10/13/2015 8:28 AM, Wout Broere wrote:
> > I cannot find where I saw in
> my books
> > how to determine the value of magical items. I
> have the
> > article on values of Natural Magic items, but I
> know that
> > MEL & EL must have a role in value of other
> items.
> > I just got a Healing talisman and a
> wand in my
> > game, and this particular group has no magicians
> (they are
> > scholars), so need to know what to record for my
> > novelization of this adventure, when they find an
> elf or
> > magician to help them determine alignment and
> value (I know,
> > as creator, but they don't)
> > Thanks for any help. I have books
> 1-4 and the
> > Book of Tables. My books have a 1983 copyright w/
> a 1/84 on
> > the bottom left back page corner, and the Tables
> are
> > copyrighted 1984 w/ an 11/ 84 in lower left
> corner of back
> > cover. (Are these the older books or the
> newer?)
> > Thanks again for your help, (hope I
> didn't
> > mispell too musch - my typing not as great as my
> spelling)
> > Bess L. Hadley
> >
> >
> > [Forwarded on behalf of Bess L. Hadley, Wout]
> >
> >
> >
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