[PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 132, Issue 2 re:water issues - addendum
Bessie Hadley
eleabess at sbcglobal.net
Tue Oct 4 21:54:47 CEST 2016
I neglected to say the %'s I gave (noted in post below this one) were per %/hex.
Bess L. Hadley
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From: Bessie Hadley <eleabess at sbcglobal.net>
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Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 132, Issue 1: water
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I would recommend researching the great prairies of Russia
& Siberia, as well a the U.S. Google World can provide
maps that magnify as much as you want.
But speaking as one who live in Kansas for 3 years as a
teenager, I can say that water should almost always be
within 10-30 miles - or at least a stream in every other
hex. Residents/natives of the area would know where the
water is & where it is not. Unless it is a desert area,
then the practical way, to me, who also lived in Arizona
during college, is to share that there is almost always
water within 3 days horse-ride - but you need to know where
it is, and carry plenty of extra if it is hot. I read a lot
of Louis L'Amour westerns & learned a lot about survival
in the prairies & deserts of the U.S. I also played
"Oregon Trail" an educational game for schoolchildren, and
they had scouts that knew where the water was, usually
streams & rivers (of all sizes, but often shallow enough
to cross by wagon).
For the Zenda plains, I would count the # of comparable
rivers & lakes that are in Mongolia, Russia &
Siberia & match that. Lake (small) 10%, Lake (large)
3%), stream (small) 30-40%, river (small, like large creek,
or one that dries in summer) 20-30%, river (large) 10-20%.
These figures might be off, but my guess is that you'll find
them relatively accurate, if you check maps. Anyway, they
make a start for you,anyway. Of course, it also depends on
if they are travelling parallel to or at angles to the lay
of the land, since water settles in lower elevations in an
area, such as valleys, gullies, ditches, hollows, etc. (hee
hee hee)
Hiring natives as guides is always good, if you can trust
the local folk.
Villages? Again, check the maps of the Euro-Asian plains -
where there are now villages, towns - there have probably
always been. Tribal enmities would dictate how far apart
permanent villages would be (no closer than a couple days
riding) - temporary villages might be easily within a day's
ride, if part of the same clan, altho too close would
endanger the plain's recovery from grazing herds (which the
natives would be aware of).
This letter has been long enough - can you agree that this
is a practical starting point, however? (lol)
Bess L. Hadley
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With regard to water sources and super detailing encounter
tables. I have to say (respectfully) that P&P is a
fantasy game. Tables abound with info. Ultimately to much
detail will destroy interest
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Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 131, Issue 7 - scans
At 02:11 PM 9/26/2016, you wrote:
>Thanks for the offer Bess, but the scans I have a
reasonable
>quality, but the OCR chokes on the grey background on
the tables and
>the red background behind important and optional
sections. I don't
>think that new scans would solve that.
>Wout
You can add my Weather and v2 Encounter Charts to site if
want to.
I've noticed minor issues but will see if others find more
before
fixing it in bulk.
Miinor things like a creature should not be in X terrain.
On a side note.? Anyone do research on water
sources?? Frequency
distribution of lake/ponds/rivers?
Got folks traveling over Zen'da plains and based on horse
needs they
need water.
Carrying 150 odd quarts per da yis a bt much.
So need to come up with charts for
* Wells
* Villages
* Pond/Lakes
* Streams
for water sources.
Burton did you work on any of this?
So given a single hex what's the chance of a pond that
sort
of probability.
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From: Scott Adams <longshotgm at comcast.net>
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At 11:25 AM 10/3/2016, you wrote:
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>With regard to water sources and super detailing
>encounter tables. I have to say (respectfully)
>that P&P is a fantasy game. Tables abound with
>info. Ultimately to much detail will destroy interest
>
>----------
Yet a system like RoleMaster aka ChartMaster has
far more tables.? I've been in those games where
it takes 45 min of page flipping of charts for
ONE round.? So a player need to decide what they
want.? I stil think pnp is far better than 99% of
the fantasy systems out there.
As to water..well I solved it.? A certain spell will do
it very nicely. :)
>From: <mailto:longshotgm at comcast.net>Scott
Adams
>Sent: ?27/?09/?2016 22:38
>To:
><mailto:broere at powersandperils.org>broere at powersandperils.org;
><mailto:pnp at list.powersandperils.org>The
Powers and Perils Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 131, Issue 7 -
scans
>
>At 02:11 PM 9/26/2016, you wrote:
> >Thanks for the offer Bess, but the scans I have a
reasonable
> >quality, but the OCR chokes on the grey
background
on the tables and
> >the red background behind important and optional
sections. I don't
> >think that new scans would solve that.
> >Wout
>You can add my Weather and v2 Encounter Charts to site
if want to.
>I've noticed minor issues but will see if others find
more before
>fixing it in bulk.
>
>Miinor things like a creature should not be in X
terrain.
>
>On a side note.? Anyone do research on water
sources?? Frequency
>distribution of lake/ponds/rivers?
>Got folks traveling over Zen'da plains and based on
horse needs they
>need water.
>Carrying 150 odd quarts per da yis a bt much.
>
>So need to come up with charts for
>* Wells
>* Villages
>* Pond/Lakes
>* Streams
>for water sources.
>Burton did you work on any of this?
>
>So given a single hex what's the chance of a pond that
sort of probability.
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 16:36:27 +0000
From: Malc Walker <malcwalker at hotmail.com>
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The art of the gamesmaster, and I use the word
intentionally
is to entertain his players. I agree, Powers & Perils
is
a great game. I repeat again, no need for water tables.
Better the sound of running water and players startling a
bear drinking from a pool
________________________________
From: Scott Adams<mailto:longshotgm at comcast.net>
Sent: ?03/?10/?2016 17:14
To: The Powers and Perils Mailing List<mailto:pnp at list.powersandperils.org>
Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 131, Issue 7 - scans
At 11:25 AM 10/3/2016, you wrote:
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>
>With regard to water sources and super detailing
>encounter tables. I have to say (respectfully)
>that P&P is a fantasy game. Tables abound with
>info. Ultimately to much detail will destroy interest
>
>----------
Yet a system like RoleMaster aka ChartMaster has
far more tables.? I've been in those games where
it takes 45 min of page flipping of charts for
ONE round.? So a player need to decide what they
want.? I stil think pnp is far better than 99% of
the fantasy systems out there.
As to water..well I solved it.? A certain spell will do
it very nicely. :)
>From: <mailto:longshotgm at comcast.net>Scott
Adams
>Sent: ?27/?09/?2016 22:38
>To:
><mailto:broere at powersandperils.org>broere at powersandperils.org;
><mailto:pnp at list.powersandperils.org>The
Powers and Perils Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 131, Issue 7 -
scans
>
>At 02:11 PM 9/26/2016, you wrote:
> >Thanks for the offer Bess, but the scans I have a
reasonable
> >quality, but the OCR chokes on the grey
background
on the tables and
> >the red background behind important and optional
sections. I don't
> >think that new scans would solve that.
> >Wout
>You can add my Weather and v2 Encounter Charts to site
if want to.
>I've noticed minor issues but will see if others find
more before
>fixing it in bulk.
>
>Miinor things like a creature should not be in X
terrain.
>
>On a side note.? Anyone do research on water
sources?? Frequency
>distribution of lake/ponds/rivers?
>Got folks traveling over Zen'da plains and based on
horse needs they
>need water.
>Carrying 150 odd quarts per da yis a bt much.
>
>So need to come up with charts for
>* Wells
>* Villages
>* Pond/Lakes
>* Streams
>for water sources.
>Burton did you work on any of this?
>
>So given a single hex what's the chance of a pond that
sort of probability.
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2016 13:10:42 -0400
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Well in my pbem this is adventure #7 since
1999. I increased in reality/complexity over the
years.
This was to balance player high levels.
So first adventure no real detail on food it was just
'assumed".
Gradually from food to inns, etc. Now its water
because they are on the Zen'da plains in winter.
All riding. So I did some chart for how far
between each piont a village/water source (like pond).
Based
on population/number of hexes. Now I have that data.
But one spell a player knows will solve it regardless. :)
When horses need 20-40 quarts per day and I
calculated based on random factors over 3 they needed over
1600 quarts
water is important for horses.
I'm a detail person being a programmer. So I
don't mind the detail complexity at this point.
If it was old route Sivas to Ticasi over road
sure no big deal Inns/water sources galore. But
plains
are desolate.
At 12:36 PM 10/3/2016, you wrote:
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>The art of the gamesmaster, and I use the word
>intentionally is to entertain his players. I
>agree, Powers & Perils is a great game. I repeat
>again, no need for water tables. Better the
>sound of running water and players startling a bear
drinking from a pool
>
>----------
>From: <mailto:longshotgm at comcast.net>Scott
Adams
>Sent: ???03/???10/???2016 17:14
>To: <mailto:pnp at list.powersandperils.org>The
Powers and Perils Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 131, Issue 7 - scans
>
>At 11:25 AM 10/3/2016, you wrote:
> >Content-Language: en-GB
> >Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> >
>
>boundary="_000_DB3PR05MB5404AF34BC291B56AC8CE8ACAC20DB3PR05MB540eurprd_"
> >
> >With regard to water sources and super detailing
> >encounter tables. I have to say (respectfully)
> >that P&P is a fantasy game. Tables abound with
> >info. Ultimately to much detail will destroy
interest
> >
> >----------
>Yet a system like RoleMaster aka ChartMaster has
>far more tables. I've been in those games where
>it takes 45 min of page flipping of charts for
>ONE round. So a player need to decide what they
>want. I stil think pnp is far better than 99% of
>the fantasy systems out there.
>
>As to water..well I solved it. A certain spell
will do it very nicely. :)
>
>
>
>
> >From:
> <<mailto:longshotgm at comcast.net>mailto:longshotgm at comcast.net>Scott
Adams
> >Sent: ??27/??09/??2016 22:38
> >To:
> ><<mailto:broere at powersandperils.org>mailto:broe
> re at powersandperils.org>broere at powersandperils.org;
> ><<mailto:pnp at list.powersandperils.org>mailto:pn
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> >Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 131, Issue 7 -
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> >
> >At 02:11 PM 9/26/2016, you wrote:
> > >Thanks for the offer Bess, but the scans I
have a reasonable
> > >quality, but the OCR chokes on the grey
background on the tables and
> > >the red background behind important and
optional sections. I don't
> > >think that new scans would solve that.
> > >Wout
> >You can add my Weather and v2 Encounter Charts to
site if want to.
> >I've noticed minor issues but will see if others
find more before
> >fixing it in bulk.
> >
> >Miinor things like a creature should not be in X
terrain.
> >
> >On a side note. Anyone do research on water
sources? Frequency
> >distribution of lake/ponds/rivers?
> >Got folks traveling over Zen'da plains and based on
horse needs they
> >need water.
> >Carrying 150 odd quarts per da yis a bt much.
> >
> >So need to come up with charts for
> >* Wells
> >* Villages
> >* Pond/Lakes
> >* Streams
> >for water sources.
> >Burton did you work on any of this?
> >
> >So given a single hex what's the chance of a pond
that sort of probability.
> >
> >
> >
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