[PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 140, Issue 8

Scott Adams longshotgm at comcast.net
Sat Aug 19 02:55:22 CEST 2017 

That line is better avoiding notice. :)
That is probably why i always saw 'hiding in forest invisibly' as 
such.  So players figured it was
a auto inviso spell.



At 11:23 PM 8/17/2017, you wrote:
>I think the existing skill treatment by the rules should work 
>fine.  The GM assigns a difficulty level for the elf.  Hiding from a 
>clueless couple more interested in each other than in any elf is 
>easy.  'Disappearing' in front of an enemy very much aware of your 
>presence is impossible...or nearly so.
>
>It's not like invisibility.  It's more like avoiding notice.
>
>Dave
>
>Sent from my iPad
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> > Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 19:22:33 -0400
> > From: Scott Adams <longshotgm at comcast.net>
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> > Subject: [PnP] Elf Hiding
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> >> You don't see an Elf Hiding in the Forest.  They are real good at
> > that kind of stuff.
> >> ;)
> >> Tom
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> > Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 19:22:33 -0400
> > From: Scott Adams <longshotgm at comcast.net>
> > To: pnp at list.powersandperils.org
> > Subject: [PnP] Elf Hiding
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> >> You don't see an Elf Hiding in the Forest.  They are real good at
> > that kind of stuff.
> >> ;)
> >> Tom
> >
> > YEah but it seems way too arbitary.  So if a Elf is 2 feet away in
> > front of you you just don't see him? Just too easy.
> > The rules elaborate details but it seems a weird thing.  So Elf and
> > Hunter compete to hide.
> > They should have good skills.  But this elf hiding thing seems like
> > almost a automatic
> > than a chance.
> >
> > Mechanically at least.
> > I understand the basic idea.
> >
> > Just think the rule on this could be tweaked.  I never got to
> > thinking on it till recently.
> > Was curious if folks tweaked this skill/rule/mechanic.
> >
> >
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> > Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 16:41:54 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> > From: " Thomas O. Magann Jr." <tmagann at earthlink.net>
> > To: The Powers and Perils Mailing List <pnp at list.powersandperils.org>,
> >    pnp at list.powersandperils.org
> > Subject: Re: [PnP] Elf Hiding
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> > Folks, while in some game systems Elves are magically invisible 
> in forests, in most they just have the same Stealth Skills any 
> human might. The question is: How good is the elf at hiding?
> >
> > Or, to answer the original question: With my eyes, if they're 
> young, or With a Detect Hidden Spell, if they're old.
> >
> > In P&P they may not be invisible. It depends, like so much, on 
> their stats, which are experienced based. An average Elf, starting 
> out, only have about a 22% chance of going unnoticed.
> >
> > Don't give them too much credit. By the time your characters are 
> dealing with the older ones, either you're skilled(and older, 
> yourself) or you're in deep mulch.
> >
> > Also, simply because their ability IS magical, they may be 
> sloppy. Branches force out of true, foot prints on the ground, etc. 
> All the things Stealth wouldn't leave, invisibility does.
> >
> > Look for the things they forget to conceal, because they assume 
> you can't see them, so why bother?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Scott Adams <longshotgm at comcast.net>
> >> Sent: Aug 17, 2017 4:22 PM
> >> To: pnp at list.powersandperils.org
> >> Subject: [PnP] Elf Hiding
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> You don't see an Elf Hiding in the Forest.  They are real good at
> >> that kind of stuff.
> >>> ;)
> >>> Tom
> >>
> >> YEah but it seems way too arbitary.  So if a Elf is 2 feet away in
> >> front of you you just don't see him? Just too easy.
> >> The rules elaborate details but it seems a weird thing.  So Elf and
> >> Hunter compete to hide.
> >> They should have good skills.  But this elf hiding thing seems like
> >> almost a automatic
> >> than a chance.
> >>
> >> Mechanically at least.
> >> I understand the basic idea.
> >>
> >> Just think the rule on this could be tweaked.  I never got to
> >> thinking on it till recently.
> >> Was curious if folks tweaked this skill/rule/mechanic.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 20:06:29 -0400
> > From: Burton Choinski <bchoinski at verizon.net>
> > To: "Thomas O. Magann Jr." <tmagann at earthlink.net>, The Powers and
> >    Perils Mailing List <pnp at list.powersandperils.org>
> > Subject: Re: [PnP] Elf Hiding
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> > I think when I was running my P&P world using a home-brew system, 
> they way I played it is that the Elf?s Empathy added to their 
> stealth. We viewed it as as sort of like the Forest ?Helped? the 
> elf hide, by drooping branches, tightening up bushes, leaves 
> flashing out so as to provide more cover, etc.  Thus the use of Empathy
> >
> > Now P&P core does not have stealth, or a corresponding notice 
> skill. One could assume that ?Stealth? is a skill that everyone 
> has, and is basically Agility for any task roles (multiplied by the 
> difficulty modifier), and the noticing of a stealthy target is 
> based on Int (perception, knowing what to look for).  In this case, 
> an elf in the forest adds Empathy to both their Agility to be 
> sneaky, AND their Int when looking for sneaking targets (the forest 
> helps there as well, by rustling branches, etc).
> >
> > If people have added an actual Stealth and Notice skill, add 
> Empathy if it is an ?or 80? skill or Em/5 for normal skills.
> > 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Burton Choinski
> > bchoinski at verizon.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Aug 17, 2017, at 7:41 PM, Thomas O. Magann Jr. 
> <tmagann at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Folks, while in some game systems Elves are magically invisible 
> in forests, in most they just have the same Stealth Skills any 
> human might. The question is: How good is the elf at hiding?
> >>
> >> Or, to answer the original question: With my eyes, if they're 
> young, or With a Detect Hidden Spell, if they're old.
> >>
> >> In P&P they may not be invisible. It depends, like so much, on 
> their stats, which are experienced based. An average Elf, starting 
> out, only have about a 22% chance of going unnoticed.
> >>
> >> Don't give them too much credit. By the time your characters are 
> dealing with the older ones, either you're skilled(and older, 
> yourself) or you're in deep mulch.
> >>
> >> Also, simply because their ability IS magical, they may be 
> sloppy. Branches force out of true, foot prints on the ground, etc. 
> All the things Stealth wouldn't leave, invisibility does.
> >>
> >> Look for the things they forget to conceal, because they assume 
> you can't see them, so why bother?
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Scott Adams <longshotgm at comcast.net>
> >>> Sent: Aug 17, 2017 4:22 PM
> >>> To: pnp at list.powersandperils.org
> >>> Subject: [PnP] Elf Hiding
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> You don't see an Elf Hiding in the Forest.  They are real good at
> >>> that kind of stuff.
> >>>> ;)
> >>>> Tom
> >>>
> >>> YEah but it seems way too arbitary.  So if a Elf is 2 feet away in
> >>> front of you you just don't see him? Just too easy.
> >>> The rules elaborate details but it seems a weird thing.  So Elf and
> >>> Hunter compete to hide.
> >>> They should have good skills.  But this elf hiding thing seems like
> >>> almost a automatic
> >>> than a chance.
> >>>
> >>> Mechanically at least.
> >>> I understand the basic idea.
> >>>
> >>> Just think the rule on this could be tweaked.  I never got to
> >>> thinking on it till recently.
> >>> Was curious if folks tweaked this skill/rule/mechanic.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> > Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 20:22:10 -0400
> > From: Burton Choinski <bchoinski at verizon.net>
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> > As I pointed out in my missive, given a human and elf with 
> Stealth skills the same, the elf has the edge when he adds in his 
> Empathy to both hide and find in the forest, due to the help of the forest.
> >
> > For invisibility we tweaked the spell a bit:
> >
> > The Caster becomes perfectly transparent and undetectable by 
> visual means. This will prevent casual detection but has no effect 
> on other senses, so normal Stealth rolls will be needed to move quietly.
> >
> > Any person that happens to contact into the Caster will be able 
> to see him over the remainder of the Duration whether contact is 
> maintained or not.
> >
> > The spell is automatically dispelled if the Caster makes any form 
> of attack or casts any spell that does not have a target of ?Self? 
> (i.e ?pops the bubble?).
> >
> > In terms of detection, A stationary invisible person can only be 
> detected by magical means.
> > 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Burton Choinski
> > bchoinski at verizon.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Aug 16, 2017, at 7:45 PM, Scott Adams <longshotgm at comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> How do you guys see Elf Hiding in Forest?
> >>
> >> Just a step above a smart hunter with camo and 1 step lower than 
> a inviso guy?
> >>
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