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At 07:57 AM 11/4/04 -0500, you wrote: <br>
<i><blockquote type=cite cite>Most non-combat skills have absolutely no
effect at EL 0.</i><br>
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<font face="arial" size=2 color="#0000FF">That's part of the reason I
made up my "target-12" skill system that used 2d10 for
resolution -- even at EL0 you had SOME chance. Personally, for
non-combat skills we used the LOWEST attribute in the formula, not the
highest (as stated in the books).</font><br>
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</font><font face="tahoma" size=2>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> David Hunt [mailto:dhunt@myriad.net] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Powers and Perils Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PnP] In game skill acquisition<br>
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</font><font size=3>Most non-combat skills have absolutely no effect at
EL 0. When you use 0 in the formulas for what they do, it's nothing or a
0% chance of sucess, etc. It's my thinking that if you pay the experise
to actually learn the skill, then you should actually be able to use the
skill in some capacity after paying that expertise. If someone wants to
limit what skills start at after the character generation, the Burton's
idea is workable.<br>
<br>
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Choinski, Burton wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><br>
</font><font size=2>I changed my formulas to use the LOWEST
characteristic of the formula when determining non-combat skill
defaults.</font><font size=3> <br>
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</font><font size=2>One can also make the case that the "starting
skill" benefit only applies at character generation, not during
play, so you start at 0 once learned.<br>
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-----Original Message-----<font size=3> <br>
</font><font size=2>From: Alex Koponen
[<a href="mailto:akoponen@mosquitonet.com">mailto:akoponen@mosquitonet.com</a>]
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Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 5:21 PM<font size=3> <br>
</font><font size=2>To:
<a href="mailto:pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl">pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl</a></font><font size=3>
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</font><font size=2>Subject: [PnP] In game skill acquisition</font><font size=3> <br>
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</font><font size=2>When a character, in game, acquires enough training and expertise to </font><br>
learn a non-combat skill does the character:<font size=3> <br>
</font><font size=2>Get EL0 in that skill ?</font><font size=3> <br>
</font><font size=2>Get a starting level in that skill as implied under Rule 2.41 ?</font><font size=3> <br>
</font><font size=2>I use the second but it does encounter the problem of a big jump in </font><br>
effective skill when it is finally learned. To counter that problem one <br>
can calculate what the starting level will be, figure out what <br>
percentage of learning to the starting level has taken place and <br>
calculate what the effective penalty is.<font size=3> <br>
<br>
</font><font size=2>Seaman is an example of an Either/Or skill in many ways.</font><font size=3> <br>
</font><font size=2>You either have it at EL0 or greater, in which case you don't have </font><br>
combat penalties aboard moving ships OR you don't have it at EL0 or <br>
better in which case you have a 50% penalty to your OCV, DCV and weapon <br>
EL in combat aboard a moving ship.<font size=3> <br>
</font><font size=2>This fails to provide for gradual increase in skill as one learns the </font><br>
skill but has not yet mastered it. When rewritten a more gradual skill <br>
slope would be more realistic.<font size=3> <br>
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</font><font size=2> Alex Koponen <br>
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