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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Here is the current sheet. Comments
welcome.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>You may notice some armor changes.
Ringmail is no longer a separate suit (by definition the rings are sewn on)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Bezainted is similar except that metal
disks are rivited on instead of rings.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I was thinking of marking Ringed leather
as 2 (1) for AV (paren applies on piercing hits, like spears, arrows, lances,
pikes). Bezainted is straight 2 AV<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>To make the other armors work, Jaz (scale)
is 3 (2) AV (paren applies on deadly or severe hits) – Jaz is better at the
normal glancing blows. Brigandine (scale coated in cloth) is pure 3AV<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
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attacks), plate mail is pure 4, plate armor is pure 5.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [PnP] Re: Weapon and
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>I'm going to try tweaking the bow cost to see if I can
get this within reason. Harn had longbow prices pretty dark cheap (going
with the "broadsword" standard) about 25% of broadsword. Gurps
places it at about 33% broadsword. Runequest is tricky, being 39% in the
wilds (where metal weapons are scarese) to 233% in cities.<br>
<br>
I would rate Harn's and Gurps research over the old runequest prices.
Harn's creation time of 18h for a longbow/12h for a shortbow jives with your
account, so I would gamble on the Harnic research being pretty close.<br>
<br>
I'll have to play with the numbers, but there is no way to economically justify
bow prices. I can buy it as an attempt to balance via prices the effect
of ranged weapons ove melee, but such deterants have no effect on well funded
elder characters and just serve to whack the economics.<br>
<br>
I'll fire off my latest save of my weapons tweaking chart tomorrow and you can
play with it.<br>
<br>
<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: pnp-bounces@abroere.xs4all.nl on behalf of Scott Adams<br>
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Subject: RE: [PnP] Re: Weapon and Armor making<br>
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>Going with this, it take a P&P Bowyer (at 1GC/month) pretty much a
month to make a bow (282 hours) -- about twice as long as it takes to craft a
broadsword. However, sources I have seen have this at MUCH less (from 2h
for a master bowyer on one site, to 18h as noted in Harn). Still digging,
including a query to a manufacturer of traditional longbows.<br>
A month for a bow?! Wow. I read somewhere once that a plains indian
could do one in 2 days and he had chores to do. Course I guess one is
better than the others. I'd say a month is good for a arbalest but a
simple bow and string? Hrm....this whole topic though I'd have to have
time to sit down and analyze. <br>
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