<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">MR17 is the mule up to it's carry ability, not overloading (per book 1 and 3).<div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>I grant that it had better be some sweet deal to get them to do the task.</div><div><br><div><div>On Dec 13, 2007, at 6:43 PM, Sylverrs_ dragon wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div class="hmmessage" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; ">Think MR17 is too high for mules pulling a loaded wagon or carrying packs. Would put it in the 10-12 range.<br>As to the elementals, neither is the best choice for the task. Need to deals with Gnomes for earth moving and construction. Unless the offer was something spectacular, would probably insult a Son of Gaea. As to living earth, they aren't geared for such at all. Call them to kill something or destroy, I'd say.<br><br><br>> From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:bchoinski@comcast.net">bchoinski@comcast.net</a><br>> To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl">pnp@abroere.xs4all.nl</a><br>> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:07:43 -0500<br>> Subject: [PnP] A digging we go!<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> I'm currently involved with revamping my Construction rules (my<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Legends players are starting to build up their inn and will eventually<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> be constructing their keep off in the western mountains.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Playing around with some assumptions (Drover pay 15CC/month, 5 mule<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> team carrying drover and 920# of material, MR17 for team, need to save<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> for replacements costs of each mule every 2 years, 3CC for 60FP of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> grain and forage, mules need 7FP each) one finds that transport is<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> friggen expensive. Buy local guys:<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Porters: Using a porter, 1 ton of material can be moved on hex in 60<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> days and cost 20CC. Obviously, more porters will reduce the time, but<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> never less than 1day.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Ox Cart: Pair of oxen pulling a wagon, one teamster. Takes 4 days for<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> a ton of cargo and costs 10CC per hex. Again, more carts can be added<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> but cannot reduce below 1 day. Carts can be used to carry objects<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> over 200# (unlike porters and mule trains)<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Mule train: 1 drover and 5 mules, takes 3 days an 8CC per ton of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> material per hex.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Boats: I still have to go over Scott's rules and figure this out, but<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> it should be way cheaper per ton.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> The above just for your amusement.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Now, for Richard (and others): How much soil could your average Living<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Earth dig per phase (for excavation)? 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