<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Bwahahaha!<div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>In the final phases of tweaking my shipwright program, still not happy with the toughness/seaworthiness formulas. Did web searching and found my old mailing list entries from 2001...nearly seven years later, and the same group of players are dragging me back to ship rules. :P</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br><div><div>On Feb 16, 2008, at 1:27 PM, Burton Choinski wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">All of the following ships generated with the use of the shipwright (new tweaked version attached). Would people care to go over them and see if the prices/performance look reasonable?<span><Shipwright 2.xls></span></div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Construction times (for a 10-man crew) is given after price. Obviously, a larger shipyard can devote more crews to large craft.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Structure is ship AHP; Toughness is the armor. Seaworthiness is general ability to stay afloat in bad conditions. In combat terms, only Normal damage is scored if players attack ships. Any damage that exceeds toughness is inflicted on the structure. Once structure is gone the ship begins to founder. Players attacking the hull from the inside (scuttling) used 1/2 toughness.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>I still have to work up the larger merchant ships. As for Biremes and Triremes, they are so specialized as coast-hugging warships I'm not sure if I will work them up, but instead make reasonable ship sizes to match the Sea of tears crew ratings and make it so they can be used long-term.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div> <!--StartFragment--> <div style="border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext .65pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in; background:#EAEAEA"><p class="SHIP" style="border:none;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid windowtext .65pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in"><b>Canoe</b><span style="font-weight:normal"> </span><b>(10CC, 1d)</b><span style="font-weight: normal">: A one-person wooden canoe, capable of holding the user and a tiny amount of cargo.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div class="SHIPSTATS">Structure: <i>4</i><span style="font-style:normal"><span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>Seaworthiness: </span><i>6<span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span></i><span style="font-style:normal">Toughness</span><i>: 3 <o:p></o:p></i></div> <div class="SHIP"><b>Crew</b><span style="font-weight:normal">: <i>1 paddler</i></span><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="SHIP"><b>Cargo</b><span style="font-weight:normal">: <i>150#<o:p></o:p></i></span></div> <div class="SHIP"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="SHIP"><b>Under Oar</b><span style="font-weight:normal">:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt"><i>MR4 (in 3 phases), flank speed MR8 (in 5 phases).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Strategic 5/4 hexes; Tactical 2.2 MPH.</i></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid windowtext .65pt;padding:1.0pt 0in 0in 0in; background:#EAEAEA"><p class="SHIP-DET" align="left" style="text-align:left;page-break-after:auto; tab-stops:right 3.5in;border:none;mso-border-top-alt:solid windowtext .65pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:1.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>9’ long, 2’ beam, 1’ draft, 1’ freeboard -- 0.3t displacement<o:p></o:p></p> </div><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"> <o:p></o:p></p> <div style="border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext .65pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in; background:#EAEAEA"><p class="SHIP" style="border:none;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid windowtext .65pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in"><b>Rowboat</b><span style="font-weight:normal"> </span><b>(20CC, 2d)</b><span style="font-weight: normal">: A one-person, wide-stern rowboat often used for personal water transport or small-time fishermen.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div class="SHIPSTATS">Structure: <i>7</i><span style="font-style:normal"><span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>Seaworthiness: </span><i>11<span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span></i><span style="font-style:normal">Toughness</span><i>: 3 <o:p></o:p></i></div> <div class="SHIP"><b>Crew</b><span style="font-weight:normal">: <i>1 rower</i></span><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="SHIP"><b>Cargo</b><span style="font-weight:normal">: <i>0.35 tons<o:p></o:p></i></span></div> <div class="SHIP"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="SHIP"><b>Under Oar</b><span style="font-weight:normal">:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt"><i>MR5 (in 4 phases), flank speed MR6 (in 4 phases).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Strategic 1 hex; Tactical 1.6 MPH.</i></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid windowtext .65pt;padding:1.0pt 0in 0in 0in; background:#EAEAEA"><p class="SHIP-DET" align="left" style="text-align:left;page-break-after:auto; tab-stops:right 3.5in;border:none;mso-border-top-alt:solid windowtext .65pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:1.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>9’ long, 4’ beam, 1’ draft, 1’ freeboard -- 0.75t displacement<o:p></o:p></p> </div><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"> <o:p></o:p></p> <div style="border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext .65pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in; background:#EAEAEA"><p class="SHIP" style="border:none;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid windowtext .65pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in"><b>Jollyboat (60CC, 5d)</b><span style="font-weight:normal">: A large boat built to carry multiple passengers from ship to shore, often carried by larger ocean going ships.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div class="SHIPSTATS">Structure: <i>14</i><span style="font-style:normal"><span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>Seaworthiness: </span><i>22<span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span></i><span style="font-style:normal">Toughness</span><i>: 5 <o:p></o:p></i></div> <div class="SHIP"><b>Crew</b><span style="font-weight:normal">: <i>2 rowers<span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span></i></span><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="SHIP"><b>Cargo</b><span style="font-weight:normal">: <i>1.55 tons<o:p></o:p></i></span></div> <div class="SHIP"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="SHIP"><b>Under Oar</b><span style="font-weight:normal">:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt"><i>MR4 (in 6 phases), flank speed MR7 (in 11 phases).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Strategic 1 hex; Tactical 2.0 MPH.</i></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid windowtext .65pt;padding:1.0pt 0in 0in 0in; background:#EAEAEA"><p class="SHIP-DET" align="left" style="text-align:left;page-break-after:auto; tab-stops:right 3.5in;border:none;mso-border-top-alt:solid windowtext .65pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:1.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>14’ long, 6’ beam, 2’ draft, 2’ freeboard -- 3t displacement<o:p></o:p></p> </div><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"> <o:p></o:p></p> <div style="border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext .65pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in; background:#EAEAEA"><p class="SHIP" style="border:none;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid windowtext .65pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in"><b>Large Jollyboat (145CC, 12d)</b><span style="font-weight:normal">: As for Jollyboat, but with greater capacity.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div class="SHIPSTATS">Structure: <i>22</i><span style="font-style:normal"><span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>Seaworthiness: </span><i>22<span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span></i><span style="font-style:normal">Toughness</span><i>: 6 <o:p></o:p></i></div> <div class="SHIP"><b>Crew</b><span style="font-weight:normal">: <i>3 rowers<span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span></i></span><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="SHIP"><b>Cargo</b><span style="font-weight:normal">: <i>4.25 tons<o:p></o:p></i></span></div> <div class="SHIP"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="SHIP"><b>Under Oar</b><span style="font-weight:normal">:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt"><i>MR4 (in 10 phases), flank speed MR8 (in 19 phases).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Strategic 5/4 hex; Tactical 2.2 MPH.</i></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid windowtext .65pt;padding:1.0pt 0in 0in 0in; background:#EAEAEA"><p class="SHIP-DET" align="left" style="text-align:left;page-break-after:auto; tab-stops:right 3.5in;border:none;mso-border-top-alt:solid windowtext .65pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:1.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>18’ long, 8’ beam, 3’ draft, 2’ freeboard -- 7.7t displacement<o:p></o:p></p> </div><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"> <o:p></o:p></p> <div style="border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext .65pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in; background:#EAEAEA"><p class="SHIP" style="border:none;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid windowtext .65pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in"><b>Sailing Gig (55CC, 4d)</b><span style="font-weight:normal">: </span><span style="font-family:Times-Roman">A long, narrow boat designed to be sailed, but can be rowed if becalmed.</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div class="SHIPSTATS">Structure: <i>13</i><span style="font-style:normal"><span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>Seaworthiness: </span><i>17<span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span></i><span style="font-style:normal">Toughness</span><i>: 5 <o:p></o:p></i></div> <div class="SHIP"><b>Crew</b><span style="font-weight:normal">: <i>1 sailor<span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span></i></span><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="SHIP"><b>Cargo</b><span style="font-weight:normal">: <i>1.45 tons<o:p></o:p></i></span></div> <div class="SHIP"><b>Notes</b><span style="font-weight:normal">: <i>20sqf sail (1 mast)<o:p></o:p></i></span></div> <div class="SHIP"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="SHIP"><b>Under Oar</b><span style="font-weight:normal">:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt"><i>MR3 (in 9 phases), flank speed MR7 (in 18 phases).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Strategic 1 hex; Tactical 2.0 MPH.</i></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="SHIP"><b>Under Sail</b><span style="font-weight:normal">:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt"><i>MR8 (in 11 phases).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Strategic 5/4 hex; Tactical 2.3 MPH.</i></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid windowtext .65pt;padding:1.0pt 0in 0in 0in; background:#EAEAEA"><p class="SHIP-DET" align="left" style="text-align:left;page-break-after:auto; tab-stops:right 3.5in;border:none;mso-border-top-alt:solid windowtext .65pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:1.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>15’ long, 5’ beam, 2’ draft, 2’ freeboard -- 2.7t displacement<o:p></o:p></p> </div><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"> <o:p></o:p></p> <div style="border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext .65pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in; background:#EAEAEA"><p class="SHIP" style="border:none;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid windowtext .65pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in"><b>River Barge (150CC, 11d)</b><span style="font-weight:normal">: A flat-bottomed barge designed to be poled or paddled along a river or lake.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div class="SHIPSTATS">Structure: <i>31</i><span style="font-style:normal"><span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>Seaworthiness: </span><i>12<span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span></i><span style="font-style:normal">Toughness</span><i>: 7 <o:p></o:p></i></div> <div class="SHIP"><b>Crew</b><span style="font-weight:normal">: <i>8 polemen<span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span></i></span><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="SHIP"><b>Cargo</b><span style="font-weight:normal">: <i>8.7 tons<o:p></o:p></i></span></div> <div class="SHIP"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="SHIP"><b>Under Pole</b><span style="font-weight:normal">:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt"><i>MR2 (in 7 phases), flank speed MR4 (in 14 phases).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Strategic 1/2 hex; Tactical 1.0 MPH.</i></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid windowtext .65pt;padding:1.0pt 0in 0in 0in; background:#EAEAEA"><p class="SHIP-DET" align="left" style="text-align:left;page-break-after:auto; tab-stops:right 3.5in;border:none;mso-border-top-alt:solid windowtext .65pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:1.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>20’ long, 10’ beam, 3’ draft, 2’ freeboard -- 15.2t displacement<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <!--EndFragment--> </div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div> <!--StartFragment--> <div style="border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext .65pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in; background:#EAEAEA"><p class="SHIP" style="border:none;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid windowtext .65pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in"><b>Coastal Trader (1,410CC, 108d)</b><span style="font-weight:normal">: These small merchant ships are commonly seen running along the coastal trade routes. They usually beach at night (double crew requirements otherwise).<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <div class="SHIPSTATS">Structure: <i>40</i><span style="font-style:normal"><span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>Seaworthiness: </span><i>38<span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span></i><span style="font-style:normal">Toughness</span><i>: 6 <o:p></o:p></i></div> <div class="SHIP"><b>Crew</b><span style="font-weight:normal">: <i>6 sailors<span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span></i></span><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="SHIP"><b>Cargo</b><span style="font-weight:normal">: <i>9.6 tons<o:p></o:p></i></span></div> <div class="SHIP"><b>Notes</b><span style="font-weight:normal">: 180sqf sail (1 mast), Provision Lockers (400 man-days), Repair Stores (3), Anchor (1)<i><o:p></o:p></i></span></div> <div class="SHIP"> <o:p></o:p></div> <div class="SHIP"><b>Under Oar</b><span style="font-weight:normal">:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt"><i>MR3 (in 26 phases), flank speed MR6 (in 51 phases).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Strategic 1 hex; Tactical 1.7 MPH.</i></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="SHIP"><b>Under Sail</b><span style="font-weight:normal">:<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt"><i>MR11 (in 15 phases).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Strategic 7/4 hex; Tactical 3.1 MPH.</i></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid windowtext .65pt;padding:1.0pt 0in 0in 0in; background:#EAEAEA"><p class="SHIP-DET" align="left" style="text-align:left;page-break-after:auto; tab-stops:right 3.5in;border:none;mso-border-top-alt:solid windowtext .65pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:1.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>30’ long, 12’ beam, 4’ draft, 2’ freeboard -- 25.5t displacement<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <!--EndFragment--> <div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>On Feb 15, 2008, at 11:16 PM, Burton Choinski wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Updated version, with steps and hopefully a bit more instructive.<br><span><Shipwright 2.xls></span><br><br>Currently configured for a small rowboat.<br><br>On Feb 7, 2008, at 10:27 PM, Scott Adams wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">At 07:49 PM 2/7/08, you wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Scott, anyone? Looking for people to fool with my shipwright program,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">to see if you can generate reasonable ships with it. Keep in mind<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I'll check it out but won't be able till sat or sunday at earliest. Gotta do game pbem update and other stuff. 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