<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-size: 13px;color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family: arial,sans-serif;">No, 3.31 is clear: Hit or miss, simply USING a skill in combat grants full expertise. No partial or zero awards, always full. <br><br>If you have a reference that says otherwise, I'll give it a read if you can provide a book/page or entry number, but all I can find is section 3.311. Again, page 38 of the 1st book. Now, the rough draft of v2, on the web might say something otherwise, but I'm using the published v1 rules.<br><br>Shields are used in combat, hence full expertise is used, no matter what the result. Even a failure in combat teaches something. Possibly more than success does. This seems to be the clear intent of combat expertise rules.<br><br>Now, I can't find a reference to the exception you list below in book 1 or 2. It's quite possible I missed it, but I'm thinking that you're expressing an opinion, which is fine. I was simply stating what the rules actually said. That was the intent of the original question, I believe: What do the rules say?<br><br><blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 0px; border-left: #0000ff 2px solid; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial,sans-serif; color: black;">-----Original Message-----
<br>From: David Sanders <dasandersx@comcast.net>
<br>Sent: Nov 6, 2016 6:17 PM
<br>To: pnp@list.powersandperils.org
<br>Subject: [PnP] Shield expertise
<br><br><zzzhtml><zzzhead><zzzmeta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></zzzmeta></zzzhead><zzzbody dir="auto"><div>Thomas...I don't think you are correct on one point, but correct on the expertise award being per encounter.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">For weapons, there is partial expertise if there were no hits scored but the skill was used. The unlucky character then gets one expertise point...and it's called a partial success. There seem to be no 'failures' for weapons (I assume being cut down is its own form of failure😃).</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Shields are slightly different:</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><div class="page" title="Page 52">
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<p><span style="font-size: 11.000000pt; font-family: 'CourierNewPSMT'">"EXCEPTION </span><span style="font-size: 11.000000pt; font-family: 'CourierNewPS'; font-weight: 700">— </span><span style="font-size: 11.000000pt; font-family: 'CourierNewPSMT'">Shield users succeed when they block damage. If the shield
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</div>So, for shield hits you get the CDFx2 expertise...But it doesn't really address failure. This may be on purpose as with other combat skills. I don't know. But to me, I could understand an enemy getting a swing and a miss possibly being influenced by the shield use...so a partial expertise is earned. But then taking a hit would also provide the shielded character an expertise point same as being missed? Seems odd. But it could be the intent too. I can see where getting whacked might encourage you to better shield use.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Nov 6, 2016, at 2:53 PM, <a target="_blank" href="mailto:pnp-request@list.powersandperils.org">pnp-request@list.powersandperils.org</a> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Send pnp mailing list submissions to</span><br><span> <a target="_blank" href="mailto:pnp@list.powersandperils.org">pnp@list.powersandperils.org</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit</span><br><span> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.powersandperils.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp">http://www.powersandperils.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp</a></span><br><span>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to</span><br><span> <a target="_blank" href="mailto:pnp-request@list.powersandperils.org">pnp-request@list.powersandperils.org</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>You can reach the person managing the list at</span><br><span> <a target="_blank" href="mailto:pnp-owner@list.powersandperils.org">pnp-owner@list.powersandperils.org</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific</span><br><span>than "Re: Contents of pnp digest..."</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Today's Topics:</span><br><span></span><br><span> 1. Shields and expertise (David Sanders)</span><br><span> 2. Re: Players Wanted - Possibly for the last time? (Curtis Aikens)</span><br><span> 3. Re: Shields and expertise ( Thomas O. Magann Jr.)</span><br><span> 4. Re: Shields and expertise (Scott Adams)</span><br><span> 5. Re: Players Wanted - Possibly for the last time? (Scott Adams)</span><br></div></blockquote></zzzbody></zzzhtml></dasandersx@comcast.net></blockquote></div></body></html>