<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><span></span></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>I suggest that only imps be allowed as familiars. If you look through the list of summon able creatures, none of the others makes a good, willing, servant. They are too willful.</div><div><br></div><div>They are physical beings here in this world. They aren't possessing a cat, for example, but they are turning into one. You could argue that they could turn into just about anything so long as they have the power. Keep in mind the imp is an especially powerless demon, but it's still a demon! You might want to create some way for it to increase in size, say over time as it sups on the witches teat. Perhaps for some limited time after entertaining itself on the witch, it has more power for a while, so might<br>Be able to do more.</div><div><br></div><div>The familiar does provide some substantial benefit for the witch. The limits are that the witch must serve Sammael's court, so aren't likely to be good guys.</div><div><br></div><div>The larger the imp, the larger can be the animals it can change into. At some point, say when the imp becomes a 2x size imp, it might be able to become a terrestrial demon...and then it refuses to change into an animal an, instead, chooses to simply possess humans and animals.</div><div><br></div><div>The imp must be willing. If not, you are playing with hell-fire! If unwilling, whatever creature it is would work toward the death of whomever were enslaving it. Intelligence placed it items</div><div><br></div><div>The familiar does give power already. "Those who have <span style="font-family: CourierNewPSMT; font-size: 11pt;">familiars cast their magic at ONE EL higher than the EL cast. They
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<p><span style="font-size: 11.000000pt; font-family: 'CourierNewPSMT'"> </span><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">That's a nice benefit!</span></p><p><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">The imp might want things other than the energy it consumes...maybe it keeps pushing the witch to provide, er, snacks (like Hansel & Gretel). Motivation would depend on the imp. Stealing magic items would be clever, especially if useable against the witch. Motivations of creatures is often difficult. Why do they do what they do? For instance...what does a Sylph want?</span></p><p><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">You control an unwilling familiar by binding it to an object...swords, for instance, or you have to find some way to bind it to a control object. The control object is a very dangerous thing to create. If you lose it, and there are tons of ways that can happen, the enslaved creature is likely to hunt you down, plus your family and associates. You would need to have 'something' that makes the creature vulnerable to you...hair, body parts, blood, True Name, etc. Old style magic had a unique 'True Name' given to you, often in a ceremony. Think 'Kunte Kinte', and that little ceremony. If you had a creatures, or person's, True Name, you could command it to do things.</span></p><p>If I was going to summon something that could remember who I am, and have the effrontery to summon said creature, I would want to make darn sure that I made it worth it's while! Or make it impossible for it to attack me in the future.</p></div></div></div><div><br><div>Sent from my iPad</div></div><div><br>On Feb 15, 2017, at 3:00 AM, <a href="mailto:pnp-request@list.powersandperils.org">pnp-request@list.powersandperils.org</a> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Send pnp mailing list submissions to</span><br><span> <a href="mailto:pnp@list.powersandperils.org">pnp@list.powersandperils.org</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit</span><br><span> <a href="http://www.powersandperils.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp">http://www.powersandperils.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp</a></span><br><span>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to</span><br><span> <a href="mailto:pnp-request@list.powersandperils.org">pnp-request@list.powersandperils.org</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>You can reach the person managing the list at</span><br><span> <a href="mailto:pnp-owner@list.powersandperils.org">pnp-owner@list.powersandperils.org</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific</span><br><span>than "Re: Contents of pnp digest..."</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Today's Topics:</span><br><span></span><br><span> 1. Re: pnp Digest, Vol 136, Issue 3 (Scott Adams)</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>----------------------------------------------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 1</span><br><span>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 00:53:24 -0500</span><br><span>From: Scott Adams <<a href="mailto:longshotgm@comcast.net">longshotgm@comcast.net</a>></span><br><span>To: The Powers and Perils Mailing List <<a href="mailto:pnp@list.powersandperils.org">pnp@list.powersandperils.org</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 136, Issue 3</span><br><span>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:mailman.2.1487156401.17945.pnp@list.powersandperils.org">mailman.2.1487156401.17945.pnp@list.powersandperils.org</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Yeah. I just don't see that as a classic familiar. It seems Richard </span><br><span>only wanted imps. To me a familiar should be voluntary and </span><br><span>indentured. So a classic black cat or a horse would nto want </span><br><span>anything but companionship. But by that nature they give no power.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I just think we need to figure out more rules.</span><br><span></span><br><span>* What entails a Familiar? Spirits? Any animal? Supernatural Force?</span><br><span>* Should it be willing or not?</span><br><span>* Does Familiar give power? Other effects?</span><br><span>* What cost if any does Familiar require?</span><br><span>* How does one control said familiar if not willing.</span><br><span>* Will it stay based on basic summoning rules or longer?</span><br><span></span><br><span>Lots to consider.</span><br><span></span><br><span>PS sorry for the wrong post in list. Wasn't me but he posted here </span><br><span>than in other list. :<</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>At 04:44 PM 2/13/2017, you wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>The reason an imp stays with anyone for years is because he gets </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>something for it (Energy and sex!) without possibility of harm. The </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>other demons already have power, so they are highly unlikely to </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>become a familiar unless they can get more out of it than they might </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>normally otherwise. Even when a demon is summoned, and 'controlled', </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>it's of very short duration. And, to be blunt, if you don't give it </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>what it wants, which will take a truly heinous act, it's going to be </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>very angry with you and probably exact some form of revenge. The </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>only thing keeping it from you is that it must be difficult for </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>demons to enter this world...or else there would be lots and lots of </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>demons in your game.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Also, most demons have very specific names, at least the intelligent </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>ones and the more powerful ones. That name would have to be </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>determined in order to gain any control. Perhaps even to force its appearance.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>If you look at the descriptions of the demons, it pretty much tells </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>you what it wants. A decay demon gains the energy drawn from his </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>victims, same with a disease demon, etc. it makes them more </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>powerful. Those without described energy drains (physical threats </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>only) might gain power and prestige by the number of victims they </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>slay or cause to be slain. Terrestrial demons gain power by the </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>energy they gain from possessing humans (the human fades over time </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>and dies without intervention).</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Familiars, in effect, become indentured servants. They are paid in blood.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Any creature stuck (enslaved) because of a controlling device is not </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>going to be very happy with the owner of that device.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent from my iPad</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Feb 13, 2017, at 3:00 AM, <a href="mailto:pnp-request@list.powersandperils.org">pnp-request@list.powersandperils.org</a> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Send pnp mailing list submissions to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> <a href="mailto:pnp@list.powersandperils.org">pnp@list.powersandperils.org</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> <a href="http://www.powersandperils.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp">http://www.powersandperils.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> <a href="mailto:pnp-request@list.powersandperils.org">pnp-request@list.powersandperils.org</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>You can reach the person managing the list at</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> <a href="mailto:pnp-owner@list.powersandperils.org">pnp-owner@list.powersandperils.org</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>than "Re: Contents of pnp digest..."</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Today's Topics:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> 1. Re: pnp Digest, Vol 136, Issue 2 (Bessie Hadley)</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>----------------------------------------------------------------------</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Message: 1</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2017 19:27:19 +0000 (UTC)</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Bessie Hadley <<a href="mailto:eleabess@sbcglobal.net">eleabess@sbcglobal.net</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: <<a href="mailto:pnp@list.powersandperils.org">pnp@list.powersandperils.org</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 136, Issue 2</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:710646610.3184015.1486927639029@mail.yahoo.com">710646610.3184015.1486927639029@mail.yahoo.com</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Added a couple of suggestions/comment below, from d kerr's </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>letter. I hadn't thought on this much, since I haven't created </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>anyone who would want to summon a demon. But I have gathered ideas </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>from other sf books, so comments below, which I would tend to use </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>if & when I have such a character</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>["retain control" that's the critical section. To me</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>this implies as</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>long as the summoning control lasts.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>"demon can be used" kinda conflicts with that control by</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>saying as</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>long as he cna be used (though i could see that as long as</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>the poor</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>demon is alive?).]</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Send pnp mailing list submissions to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> <a href="mailto:pnp@list.powersandperils.org">pnp@list.powersandperils.org</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> <a href="http://www.powersandperils.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp">http://www.powersandperils.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> <a href="mailto:pnp-request@list.powersandperils.org">pnp-request@list.powersandperils.org</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>You can reach the person managing the list at</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> <a href="mailto:pnp-owner@list.powersandperils.org">pnp-owner@list.powersandperils.org</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>than "Re: Contents of pnp digest..."</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Today's Topics:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> 1. Re: pnp Digest, Vol 136, Issue 2 (Bessie Hadley)</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>----------------------------------------------------------------------</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Message: 1</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2017 19:27:19 +0000 (UTC)</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Bessie Hadley <<a href="mailto:eleabess@sbcglobal.net">eleabess@sbcglobal.net</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: <<a href="mailto:pnp@list.powersandperils.org">pnp@list.powersandperils.org</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: [PnP] pnp Digest, Vol 136, Issue 2</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:710646610.3184015.1486927639029@mail.yahoo.com">710646610.3184015.1486927639029@mail.yahoo.com</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Added a couple of suggestions/comment below, from d kerr's </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>letter. I hadn't thought on this much, since I haven't created </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>anyone who would want to summon a demon. But I have gathered ideas </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>from other sf books, so comments below, which I would tend to use </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>if & when I have such a character</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>["retain control" that's the critical section. To me</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>this implies as</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>long as the summoning control lasts.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>"demon can be used" kinda conflicts with that control by</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>saying as</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>long as he cna be used (though i could see that as long as</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>the poor</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>demon is alive?).]</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>--------->>> seems to me that control lasts as long as the spell </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>strength/success allows. As to what use you would put it, it feels </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>dangerous to ask too great a thing of it, altho' I think it would </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>complain that such a task was beyond its powers & might need </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>browbeating/threats to get it to obey to its own limits. As to when </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>that control ends, the demon should be forced (as part of the </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>spell) to return to its "home" - unless there is a weakness in the </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>spell, which would tempt the demon (if angry enough at being </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>summoned & ordered around) to attack the one who called it.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>If, when a demon is summoned repeatedly, it is treated with some </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>respect (but not with fear) and it knowledge used in a manner to </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>please it, it might develop a respect for its caller & be more </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>willing to stick around & help (altho' this does not seem a demon's </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>nature, really - unless its peers browbeat/bully it & it wants a </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>friend, even one from another realm)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>- - - - - - -</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>[ So now i</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>don't see how</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>one could summon a demon adn it stays for years.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>But i could also see that if the demon is</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>influnced/controled theen</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>why would he not want to stay? Ugh.]</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>------------>>>>>> I don't see a demon staying for years - I </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>don't think a spell's power would last for very long at all. I also </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>don't think the spellcaster would care to have the demon staying </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>around all that long</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>But I can see casting the spell to summon it frequently, & a </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>relationship developing from that - anything from a constantly </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>complaining & conniving,lying demon seeking to destroy the summoner </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>by "obeying" commands in its own sly way (adding additional twists </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>to words or doing secret things in addition to following orders) - </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>to a relationship that embodies some trust & friendship (if in a </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>sideways sort of way - being as it's with a demon & all - lol). The </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>relationship should be built upon the natures of both the wizard & </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>the demon summoned (& who might have to face punishment by its </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>superiors if it behaves against its alignment or its superiors).</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>(Have you read Robert Aspirin's books, which are hilarious punny </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>stories of many magical races?)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>You're giving me ideas for characters as part of a future story.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Bess L. Hadley</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>--------------------------------------------</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Sun, 2/12/17, <a href="mailto:pnp-request@list.powersandperils.org">pnp-request@list.powersandperils.org</a> </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><<a href="mailto:pnp-request@list.powersandperils.org">pnp-request@list.powersandperils.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: pnp Digest, Vol 136, Issue 2</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: <a href="mailto:pnp@list.powersandperils.org">pnp@list.powersandperils.org</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Date: Sunday, February 12, 2017, 3:00 AM</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Send pnp mailing list submissions to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>??? <a href="mailto:pnp@list.powersandperils.org">pnp@list.powersandperils.org</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>??? <a href="http://www.powersandperils.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp">http://www.powersandperils.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help'</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>??? <a href="mailto:pnp-request@list.powersandperils.org">pnp-request@list.powersandperils.org</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>You can reach the person managing the list at</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>??? <a href="mailto:pnp-owner@list.powersandperils.org">pnp-owner@list.powersandperils.org</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>specific</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>than "Re: Contents of pnp digest..."</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Today's Topics:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>???1. Maelorna's response to Z'leyra (d</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>kerr)</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>???2. Re: Question about famliars (Scott</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Adams)</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>----------------------------------------------------------------------</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Message: 1</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 08:33:21 -0500</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: d kerr <<a href="mailto:megumimika@gmail.com">megumimika@gmail.com</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: <a href="mailto:pnp@list.powersandperils.org">pnp@list.powersandperils.org</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: [PnP] Maelorna's response to Z'leyra</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Message-ID:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>??? <<a href="mailto:CAD17R1iQTQLkOVvoY+CLNAJ2YMjbJnau9nCsPOnRwUvUvy2TXw@mail.gmail.com">CAD17R1iQTQLkOVvoY+CLNAJ2YMjbJnau9nCsPOnRwUvUvy2TXw@mail.gmail.com</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Maelorna smiles and nods, "As you say, it was an offer and</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>freely given."</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>as she steps back, the look of pure innocence on her face as</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>she looks</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>about, meeting the eyes of the men who look at her, holding</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>their gaze for</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>a moment before continuing to look about.? "Honestly</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>from the way they are</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>looking at me, I do not believe that would even be an</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>issue." she muses and</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>chuckles softly.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>As she reaches up to make sure her earrings are still</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>attached, '*You</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>stupid girl, did you honestly think I was not able to hear</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>what you spoke</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>about?*' the voice almost bellows in her head.? '*You</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>speak about avoiding</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>the reunion and do that which would bring about your</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>destruction.*'</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>-------------- next part --------------</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>URL: </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><<a href="http://www.powersandperils.org/pipermail/pnp/attachments/20170211/38367f09/attachment-0001.html">http://www.powersandperils.org/pipermail/pnp/attachments/20170211/38367f09/attachment-0001.html</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>------------------------------</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Message: 2</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 20:29:49 -0500</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Scott Adams <<a href="mailto:longshotgm@comcast.net">longshotgm@comcast.net</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: The Powers and Perils Mailing List <<a href="mailto:pnp@list.powersandperils.org">pnp@list.powersandperils.org</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: [PnP] Question about famliars</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:mailman.2.1486897201.19929.pnp@list.powersandperils.org">mailman.2.1486897201.19929.pnp@list.powersandperils.org</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1";</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>format=flowed</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I'm in Scott's game, he suggested asking on here.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Yep.? I encourage many to post here.? Sadly not</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>many do.? There are</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>many good players and GMS and a community is nothing</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>without</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>sharing of ideas.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>With Hell Powers, Summoning Demons, the second part,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>creating a</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>familiar bond with a demon,?? is that mostly for</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>item creation or</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>is it something more along the lines, summoning the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>demon and having</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>it effectively become a pet that lasts as long as you</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>don't let it</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>get killed?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>First part is clear summoning demons is cheaper. Clear.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Second part.? Hmmm</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>'familiar bond' to me is more a bond not a familiar in the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>classic sense</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>to me but i could see how it could be read that way.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>"retain control" that's the critical section.? To me</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>this implies as</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>long as the summoning control lasts.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>"demon can be used" kinda conflicts with that control by</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>saying as</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>long as he cna be used (though i could see that as long as</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>the poor</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>demon is alive?).</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>So to me this implies can control the demon as long as</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>summonign</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>control lasts. But this then is a bit redandant with the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>basic</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>spell other than the cheaper cost.? hmm? So now i</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>don't see how</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>one could summon a demon adn it stays for years.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>But i could also see that if the demon is</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>influnced/controled theen</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>why would he not want to stay?? Ugh.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>This is why I wanted more input from others.? Its a bit</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>vague.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Or do the rules apply as with item creation: familiar</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>where the demon</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>you've created a familiar bond with, is going to rip</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>you apart the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>first time it gets?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>This is how I see it leaning that way to me.? I'm</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>hoping to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>see more arguments to show sides i am missing.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote 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type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Digest Footer</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>pnp mailing list</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:pnp@list.powersandperils.org">pnp@list.powersandperils.org</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.powersandperils.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp">http://www.powersandperils.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote 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href="http://www.powersandperils.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp">http://www.powersandperils.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp</a></span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Subject: Digest Footer</span><br><span></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>pnp mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:pnp@list.powersandperils.org">pnp@list.powersandperils.org</a></span><br><span><a href="http://www.powersandperils.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp">http://www.powersandperils.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pnp</a></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>End of pnp Digest, Vol 136, Issue 5</span><br><span>***********************************</span><br></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>